My last Q about this was horribly written. What I am asking is why do some folks think that they are born to survive in a wilderness? Even Native Americans aren’t born with the skills of their ancestors. Yet I have met quite a few people of all races who think they just know it all, about how nature works and how to survive in it. This has scared me for them many times, like a young man who wants to “live off the land” in a remote area, who will not listen to experienced advice, nor seek such advice. How do you get it across to them that having a gun and knife doesn’t make you an instant wilderness survivalist? Here is an example of what I am asking about; http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Story?id=3680748&page=1 People are getting killed in remote places, from the deserts of the south west, the woods and swamps in the Deep South, through the Rockies and the rest of North America, from inexperience, lack of outdoor skills and lack of proper equipment. How can we get across to such people to save their lives? Our Government spends millions warning us about everything from cigarettes to cosmetics, but not that the outdoors can kill you. Don’t you think this should be taught in every classroom in America? Do you have any idea how to save some of these lives? Another example; http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=1600388 METRO.. you have an excellent point. However I live where these kinds of people visit; remote Alaska, and every year we have people die here. I used to help search and rescue some years ago look for such people. And I have helped recover what was left of them IF we found them. I found a family of 5 and a big dog, in a small inflatable raft 8 miles from shore, with no life jackets. It took me a ½ hour to convince the moron dad that their lives were in peril. He had no clue, but the Coast Guard gave him a few after I called them! Stupid people or not that was lives saved. shimmitail1 to answer your Q’s in your answer; yes I can. The wife and I have homesteaded while we raised many kids. Today we grow our own food, catch our own fish, hunt for our meat and are 80% self sufficient. I have about a half century of farming, hunting, fishing and food preservation experience. At the moment I am training a 26 year old man and his wife wilderness survival skills, here in Alaska. Folks I appreciate your answers. But despite the morons out there, I believe many are just uninformed. In the city there are signs that warn you; “watch your step”, “wait for light”, “sharp turn ahead” etc, there are none in nature. So unless people are taught; they just don’t know. Therefore I think we as hunters should make an effort to teach. Donate some time to speak at schools and teach kids the basics. Lets share our knowledge, maybe it will save a life.
Some people are just idiots, straight up. I am Native American and I lived in Alaska for about 7 years, but there’s no way in hell I would go and try to survive out in the wilderness unless I knew EXACTLY what I was doing. Many people just do stuff like this to prove something to themselves or others. That Alexander Supertramp (Chris) guy was just a dumb rich kid who should have thought things through. My sister lives in Fairbanks and she thinks he’s a huge dumbass for what he did. To the locals out there, he is a joke. You can’t stop people from being stupid, but you CAN inform them and try to help them see the light.

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METROPOLIS1 on May 10th, 2009 at 6:53 pm #

You seem concerned about your fellow Americans but your feelings may be a little missplaced — I dont mean to be mean or rough on people but there are an awfull lot of dummys out there…. And I dont mean just people that go into the woods — Look on Ogrish . com and there are all types of dummys killing themselves with sketeboards, ski's, construction equipment, power tools, ladders you name it…. If theres a way for a moron to bust himself up or get killed they will find a way to do it —– LOOK at the big picture — There are over 300 million people in this country and do you know what? Most of them are sensible and will live until old age catches up with them….. Even the most intelligent people get over confident and do something that costs them their lives…. whether its going into the woods or standing on the top of that ladder 2 storys up painting the trim…. Do I think outdoorsmanship should be taught in school? NOPE! – WHY? – simple – A city school district may not think its a wise way to spend money since students may never or rarely go into the woods…. A rural school district may consider it wasteful because the students already live in or near the woods and learn safety from there parents who maybe farmers or just plain old rural folks…. Spending govt money isnt goint to solve a problem and legislating it isnt economicly prudent….. I'm a city person. My parents sent me to scout camp when I was a kid. I also spent time at my great aunts summer house in the catskill mountains and learned more about the woods from those 2 experiences than any school class could have taught me. This was a priority for my parents but not for everyone….. TRUST ME on this — Not enough of the population will get hurt or killed in the woods to make a big deal about it…. More people probably get killed in citys getting hit by cars, muggers, etc so if any money should be spent I would think it would be there…. And even that might be a waste — How many fools get killed in an apartment fire because they didnt keep fresh batterys in the smoke detector? You cant legislate smartness!!!
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Megab O on May 10th, 2009 at 7:17 pm #

Such skills are learn, not born with. The human lost most of its instincts and has to learn about everything.
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evo741hpr3 on May 10th, 2009 at 8:03 pm #

Not too long ago a man died on the Ozark trail in Arkansas. He was a computer programmer how had zero outdoor experiance and wasnt physically active.

They found him 3 weeks later for some reason on a sleeping bag suspended like a hammock between two trees with a tarp over himself.

If some dufus wants to wander into the woods without knowing what they are doing.. then who cares? One less person to overpopulate the earth.
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GARY V on May 10th, 2009 at 8:46 pm #

Metro has some good points, I know we are not educating our youth the right way . If it dont have a controler or a kee board there lost, face it – you can do a goggle search from a pine tree. I think this is the biggest reason our( that we teach ) hunter education classes are more in depth, Its sad, anyway you look at it, woodsmanship is a forgotten art….Im glad I do have the knowledge to live off the land and survive

WE , as a group should do more and keep educating are next generation, from experience we should start with 27 year olds and younger. This is where the gap starts ( i think )
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Doc Hudson on May 10th, 2009 at 9:15 pm #

Some folks are just born with an urge to wind a Darwin Award. Often they mistake this urge for instinct to survive.

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Zastava762 on May 10th, 2009 at 9:42 pm #

The government frowns on common sense ideas, like practical training of survival skills.
Don't you know our government wants us to be dependant on them for our every need? If they stop spoon feeding the general American public, then we'll have to be self dependant for our needs, and of course that means less dependance on a malfunctioning government.
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akluis on May 10th, 2009 at 10:22 pm #

How is this nitwit any different than the guy who "surfed" on top of a van until it went under a bridge? Or the guys who decided to imitate william tell and shoot apples off eachother's heads? Or the woman who climbed out onto the ledge of the gorrilla pen and then fell off and broke her neck?

Many people are dumb. Many people seem to think that they are special. This runs the gamut of "all animals will like me, even bears" (stupid timothy treadwell) to the lady who shows up at a store to collect her lay-away item, but layway closes at 5pm and it is 6pm and she throws a screaming fit that they should open it up just for her. Watch cop shows and see how often someone cries "officer, can't you please just let me go home" Like the cop is going to say "oh, yea, you were dealing drugs, but I am just going to take these cuffs off and let you go on your way"

It's all the same. You just happen to notice the hunting/outdoors ones more because that is where you have a lot of interest. If your hobby was automotive, you'd be exposed to an entire different set
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sgtabester on May 10th, 2009 at 11:07 pm #

Your question is not really a question. Its more of a point your trying to make. This is really remote in the grand scheme of things. We have way too many people who cannot cross a street safely. Those who can't drive. You tube beatings for the city kids, and etc. I could go on all day long. Point is either go out and get survival skills yourself and become a guide, search & rescue, helicopter pilot or whatever, or just take care of the people close to home who cannot cope with city living by becoming a cop, fireman, or whatever. You see the problem, you become the solution, or your part of the problem. As for me, I'm of the Generation that believes you need to test yourself. I believe people need to get outdoors a lot more than they need to youtube, and watch t.v. Those activities are more harmful in the long run then healthy outdoor activities. People get hurt playing football, soccer, and etc too. You cannot prevent people from enjoying thier lives like they see fit. That is the way it should be.
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Jim A on May 10th, 2009 at 11:18 pm #

Beeds, its nice you have a big heart, buddy, but while there may be ways to prevent some of the fools from killin themselves, there’s no way, you are going to save them all.
Maybe we need to have big friggin signs on all our roads here in Alaska next to remote areas, warning them. It could say something like this;
“WARNING mother nature wants to eat you fool! It consumes retards like you, like a pit bull in a meat market! Do every one a favor and save the tax payer search and rescue money by staying close to your car and NEVER leave the road. Because if you’re dumb azz gets killed on the road it’s much cheaper and easier for all of us.”

Seriously though they should teach kids in school about the dangers of the outdoors. Why not? They teach kids all sorts of worthless crap at school why not something that may save their life? It would be good to have that course cover firearm safety, basic outdoor skills, boating and swimming safety and how animals really are. It would cost little as they could fit it in health class.

Folks one reason Alaskans are tired of these morons is besides the millions of $ they cost us, its getting REALLY old now. And now they have that “Into the Wild” craze going, sending every kind of nut job you can think of up here. How would you feel if thousands of these “survival” wackos descended on your community? And your local government is spending all summer long looking for the fools?
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PeachPie on May 10th, 2009 at 11:24 pm #

Some people are just idiots, straight up. I am Native American and I lived in Alaska for about 7 years, but there's no way in hell I would go and try to survive out in the wilderness unless I knew EXACTLY what I was doing. Many people just do stuff like this to prove something to themselves or others. That Alexander Supertramp (Chris) guy was just a dumb rich kid who should have thought things through. My sister lives in Fairbanks and she thinks he's a huge dumbass for what he did. To the locals out there, he is a joke. You can't stop people from being stupid, but you CAN inform them and try to help them see the light.
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shimmitail1 on May 11th, 2009 at 12:11 am #

Well for one thing, Could you survive growing your own food? Could you survive milking cows? Could you survive raising your own chickens? Could you survive if there was a recession? Think before you ask!
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